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#26 2013-01-08 09:45:09

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Re: Sonic 3 & Knuckles Maximum ring (Sonic + Tails) TAS any%

Have you got something Qwerty?


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#27 2013-01-09 06:30:57

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Re: Sonic 3 & Knuckles Maximum ring (Sonic + Tails) TAS any%

Qwerty has said a good think on youtube, and i think, I find a new improvment who can save a lot of frames... a WIP 6 may come soon... and may be, you will see my Hydrocity start.


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#28 2013-01-10 10:25:31

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Re: Sonic 3 & Knuckles Maximum ring (Sonic + Tails) TAS any%

it's possible to collect these rings as knuckles?

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#29 2013-01-10 10:41:34

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Re: Sonic 3 & Knuckles Maximum ring (Sonic + Tails) TAS any%

Glide-bouncing on monitors and/or enemies with electric shield might help, but I am not sure.
Another potential solution is abusing wall ejection to gain horizontal speed over 9000 8000, and turn it into vertical speed by jumping from a slope. See my Amy@S3K TAS, I abused that trick there. Quite easy to reach the ceiling with Amy, hopefully with Knuckles is also possible. But be careful: at so extreme speed, the mentioned slope almost does not work big_smile

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Btw, this thread is about Sonic + Tails run, I think smile


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#30 2013-01-10 11:57:47

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Re: Sonic 3 & Knuckles Maximum ring (Sonic + Tails) TAS any%

Oh my god... are you sure... this will take me over 500 rerecords... thank you man.


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#31 2013-01-10 12:28:37

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Re: Sonic 3 & Knuckles Maximum ring (Sonic + Tails) TAS any%

feeuzz22 wrote:

Oh my god... are you sure... this will take me over 500 rerecords... thank you man.

Yes, it may be tricky, but the good side is that if you succeed, it will look very impressive.


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#32 2013-01-10 13:50:45

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Re: Sonic 3 & Knuckles Maximum ring (Sonic + Tails) TAS any%

WST wrote:

Btw, this thread is about Sonic + Tails run, I think smile

ah, yes... but you saw, I succeed!


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#33 2013-01-10 18:38:58

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Re: Sonic 3 & Knuckles Maximum ring (Sonic + Tails) TAS any%

I'm not going to encode now, but you can take a look at the new time:

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#34 2013-01-14 07:50:02

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Re: Sonic 3 & Knuckles Maximum ring (Sonic + Tails) TAS any%

okay, so here is the story:

LTRP wrote:

Possible improvements:
1. At the beginning, you should try to fly Tails just a bit higher for him to land on the flat ground, and not the uphill with the same X-speed.
2. Why the jump at 0:40? If you didn't jump, you could save time.
3. Better jump precision with Tails at 1:20 could be in order.
4. The bounce at 3:11 (Not on the electric box, the ground above) was unnecessary.

and I said...

feeuzz22 wrote:

1. If I fly more higher, it will be like in my WIP-3 and this way is faster (Why? I don't know).
2. between 0:31 and 0:37, I run faster than my last WIP, so, Tails come a bit later, I have to wait for him and the little jump is the best mean I find to wait without seems to wait.
3. yes, but for a unknown reason, the two rings at the top are not taken if sonic stand at the bottom.
4. this is already clear and a lot of little time savers, I currently have 6 seconds of advance in act 2.

and he said:

LTRP wrote:

1. Did you try to fly for 1 frame more?
2. You can use a lua script that tells you where Tails is. So if you didn't jump AND Tails doesn't fly back to you, you could save about 1 second.
3. If Sonic jumps there (This is for the correct Y-position) and Tails flies to get the rings, you should be able to obtain them. If not, then scratch that.

and now I say:

1. you were right I fly 4 or 5 frames before and 2 frames after and this give me enough height to go down as fast as possible and touch down on the flat ground with more speed (10 frames better).
2. I Improve all act 1 (but not finished) and I have almost 2 second of advance.
3. err, I have to continue it before finish my answer.


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#35 2013-01-19 17:54:21

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Re: Sonic 3 & Knuckles Maximum ring (Sonic + Tails) TAS any%

oh!!!! problem solved, let me save 1 or 2 second, by waiting some little frames more here:
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I save time here: (as you can see, Tails is already "IN" the hole)
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#36 2013-01-26 12:28:14

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Re: Sonic 3 & Knuckles Maximum ring (Sonic + Tails) TAS any%

Okay, okay, act 1 is finally done (if it's still improuvable, it's too much for me... :-|  ).

@LTRP (and the others) thanks to you I restart with 10 frames less (oh yeah!!!) and thanks to me, I improve all first part of act 1 (as improuvable as possible...) and save 5 second (oh yeah!!!).
BUT (big but), in the second part, I tried what you said and the problem was that I lose Tails after the little cave, and so, I was forced to run as Sonic only for some second and catch Tails as soon as possible, but after doing it all I see that I lose 7 frames...Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

This is why the second part of act 1 will be exactly the same as WIP-5, act 2 was done before and saved 6 second. Angel Island is now 11 second faster.


this is it for AIZ. I will encode for youtube next week or the week after (with my second try in Hydrocity).


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#37 2013-05-08 07:54:47

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Re: Sonic 3 & Knuckles Maximum ring (Sonic + Tails) TAS any%

I said AIZ was clear? ham.. after founded some little improvments.. no. Still improving it, and even, sitll improving act 1 for now... act 2 after.
sad         don't worry, WIP-6 is really coming soon.


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#38 2013-05-08 12:23:50

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Re: Sonic 3 & Knuckles Maximum ring (Sonic + Tails) TAS any%

I know that feeling, remember how many times I improved my EHZ1 run with Amy


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#39 2013-05-08 15:04:55

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Re: Sonic 3 & Knuckles Maximum ring (Sonic + Tails) TAS any%

yep, but I'm not going to do it a serious project, so, after these little improvements... Go to hydrocity!


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